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Finding the Photos

Postby Paul Burgess on Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:36 pm

Hi all,

Being a amateur photographer, and even newer to landscape photography I have a question:

In landscape photography, how do you find photos??

In bird and wildlife photography, finding (or identifying) the subject is relatively easy. You see a bird, you photograph it. You see the critter, you photograph it. (Okay, so I know it's not that easy; but you get my point.)

But in landscape photography, I'm finding it different. I can walk through a gorgeous set of woods; and yet nothing really stands out (photographically speaking). I don't see any pictures. Sometimes the subject is obvious, like a waterfall or some such thing, but a lot of time it's not.

So, how do you find your photos??

Hope I'm making sense!!

Paul

P.S. For what it's worth; I don't live in a place of grand vistas, and as a student I can't travel.
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Re: Finding the Photos

Postby YWguide on Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:21 pm

Paul,

The technique I teach my clients is to trust your eyes. Get to an area that catches your eye, set up the tripod, step away from it, close your eyes, open them and see where your eyes go. That place is usually the most interesting aspect in the scene. Try to use that element to produce your image. Also note that grand landscapes have 3 aspects, background, foreground, and middle. Once you find your background element that catches your eye then you need to try to find a foreground element that adds to the scene. That element can be as simple as a rock or flower, but the lines used should help point through your scene to your background. The middle ground you have less control over, just try to make it less ugly.

You need to simply the world to get it to be interesting, by that I mean, zooming in, getting closer, and taking out the elements you can that your eyes aren't attracted to. This single aspect is in my opinon the hardest to learn when the shot is not smacking you in the face.

Another kind of landscape would be the more intimate scene, being from central PA, and living in Michigan for a bit, there were rarely grand scenics at hand, but the smaller scenes can really grab people. That can be things like old cars or tractors in a meadow, or the pattern of the trees through the forest. These take some work to really see easily.

Using the best light the area has can really improve images, sunset/rise, pre-dawn colors, can all make a bland scene come alive with something that people aren't used to seeing. Great landscape shots have colors or sky drama that you don't see in your everyday travels, thats what makes those images special and attractive.

Do what you can to have a element in the picture be the focus and try to isolate it if possible, much like in wildlife. Move around to make sure what blends and merges with it compliments.

The major aspect of landscape photography I see most people being challenged with is shooting in a way people see. Photographs are for people, and imitating the way people see the world through photography can really give a photograph gravity and a sense of place like you can walk right into that. If you think about it, people walking around generally see the ground about 3 ft in front of them, and look out toward the horizon all in one view. So trying to reproduce that will add to the scene. More basically, point your camera down.

Being a guide and instructor in Rocky Mountain National Park I see the worst problem everyday, people being tourists. Don't be a tourist, by that I mean, be patient with your landscapes, think about them, and before you click that shutter make sure you have checked all the edges of your frame to make sure there isn't something small but really distracting in the shot. This is why tripods are so important. Set up the shot, and again close your eyes but this time look in the viewfinder. See where your eye goes, does it go where you want people to look, or does it go to a distracting element. If so, take it out.

Other than that, take about 10,000 shots and re-evaluate.
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Postby Kim on Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:53 pm

I have got to say that is one of the best bits of writing on landscape photography I have seen in a long time, congratulations.
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Postby Paul Burgess on Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:45 pm

Thanks SO much Jared for taking the time to write all that. It's very helpful and easy to understand. No wonder you're a guide!

P.S. You've got some awesome photos on your site!!
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Postby Kari Post on Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:54 pm

Paul,

The best photographs will come from your heart. You need the technical skills to make them come together, but finding the subject is a matter of love and patience. Many photographers who struggle to find scenes examine their environments analytically, instead of emotionally. When you find yourself in an area of woods that you consider to be beautiful, think to yourself what is it that makes it beautiful to you. What about the environment appeals to you? When you can figure that out, once you know what exactly it is that you are to trying to capture about the scene, then you can start to think about how to approach the photograph.

The best thing you can do is to get out, explore, and attune your emotions to the environment around you. Once you can connect with the natural world, you can begin to photograph it in beautiful ways.

I hope this helps.
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Postby Kin Lau on Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:52 pm

Hi Paul,

I'm not in the GTA anymore, but some places very near to you that I've found to be great for landscapes have been the beach south of Cranberry Marsh off Hall's Road, Thickson Woods with it's great old pines and mossy stumps, ferns and fungus and flowers in spring, Thickson's Point just west of Thickson's Woods, take a walk along the cliffs/bluffs and grassy meadows in any season, but especially in the early mornings.

A little further east you have the Scarborough Bluffs and Rouge Valley and the Don Valley. These are spectacular for fall colours. These are all the same spots we go for birds in the GTA, but I often bring a short/wide lens and many days I come home with a lot more landscapes than birds.
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Re: Finding the Photos

Postby Paul Burgess on Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:31 am

Kari, thanks very much for the reply. It will indeed help.

Kin Lau, thanks for the location suggestions! Thickson's Point I've shot landscapes at. I've been to Cranberry and Thickson's for birds - as you mentioned - but not for landscapes; I'll definitely have to try that. I've often driven by, and admired, both the Rouge and the Don Valley and wished to photograph them; but have never yet done so. And I've heard of - and might have seen pictures of - the Scarborough Bluffs, but haven't made it there either.

Again, thanks to you both!!
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Postby Kin Lau on Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:23 pm

The Scarborough Bluffs are very easy to get at, just go straight south on Brimley Ave, all the way to the lake. There's 200-300ft sandstone cliffs.
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Postby john j. henderson on Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:38 pm

Take a look at the work of Jeff Ripple, he shoots a lot of the ordinary and an extraordinary way. http://www.jeffripple.com/

Especially, look at his work with salt marsh. When I walk by a salt marsh, it appears so bland (I am moved by all the colors and vertical lines but have never obtained an image to move me); his work with the salt marsh moves me. Sometimes, the best is just best use of light and textures.
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Postby Van Hilliard on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:18 am

John's comments re the work of Jeff Ripple are right on target. The photos in his on-line galleries and in his shows are exceptional.
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Postby Paul Burgess on Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:03 pm

Thanks for the link! Which gallery(s) feature the salt marsh work? (Living were I do, I'm unfamiliar with salt marsh).

Thanks again!
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Postby john j. henderson on Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:10 pm

see: http://www.jeffripple.com/galleries.cfm

second row, first photo
third row, second photo

Most of Jeff's work is of very ordinary subjects; done well.
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Postby Paul Burgess on Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:06 pm

Thanks!
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